he's in favor of expanded health care but not at all any kind of wide-eyed liberal. of course there are no republicans like that anymore. he's operating -- look, in spite of the fact that the wind is at his back in a lot of ways, he's still operating with a very restricted set of possibilities given a republican hard-line majority in the house, he can't pass major legislation on a lot of things. my understanding, at least i talked to -- maybe they're telling me what i want to hear, but when i talk to people at the white house, they understand about jobs. they understand that we should really have another stimulus plan, but they see absolutely no hope of getting it so, they focus on things they think they can get -- immigration reform, maybe, gun control, maybe, fairly modest steps. i don't think there's been a big change in obama's values except that maybe he has given up his dreams of having this kind of grand bargain, which was always a foolish dream to begin with. >> ed, what do you think of obama today? >> i think he's always been dedicated to increasing government spending.